So-Called "Final analysis of Kenites and Blindness" Semi-Conclusion of both 40a and 40b Re:he Shepherd's Chapel and Pastor Arnold Murray

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To: <Undisclosed-Recipient:;>(Paul Stringini)

Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 2:15 AM

Subject: Final analysis of Kenites and blindness.

Hello again Paul
Gods word in our discussion on Kenites and the blindness of Judah has proven that the importation of these Kenites into Israel eventually led to the ultimate blindness of Judah,the main inhabitants of Judea and Jerusalem. It has been proven that these Kenites exercised total control of those masses both secular and religious.The following two verses are inevitably ,irrefutably, utterly undeniably tied together in the sense of cause and effect.

Jer 35:19 Therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Jonadab the son of Rechab shall not want a man to stand before me(in service) for ever

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be
come in

After the destruction of the First temple ,it is believed that the first synagogue was established in Babylon during the captivity of Judah. where the talmud also appeared ,and it has greater use and credibility today than the Torah The talmud book of rules ,traditions,law and interpretation of the torah itself,is what the Jews live by today.The Kenites were probably instrumental in the compilation and teaching of the Talmud

The true Israelites are among the Jews of today but the Kenites keep them blind

When we say Jew today,we assume it means of the children of Abraham.That is not the only meaning for the word Jew in the word of God.

Here are the two meanings for the word Jew from the strongs concordance
G2453
??????????
Ioudaios
ee-oo-dah'-yos
From G2448 (in the sense of G2455 as a country); udaean, that is, belonging to Jehudah: - Jew (-ess), of Juda.
G2448
???????
Iouda
ee-oo-dah'
Of Hebrew origin [H3063] or perhaps [H3194]; Judah (that is, Jehudah or Juttah), a part of (or place in) Palestine: - Judah.

The term Jew in the bible means either a child of Abraham's lineage (the tribe of Judah) or someone residing in the land of Judea.

Lets get back to the scribes(Kenites)

There is no doubt that the scribes called themselves Jews,and the general population regarded them as such,for they held rule over them .They may not have been the actual rulers of the Jews but they were the administrators and controlled the beaurocracy of both the religious and secular sectors. Also outsiders would call the scribes Jews as well for they saw them having rule over Israel.

It is fact because Christ himself in the book of Revelation tells the two churches that he finds no fault with,.that he will make them that" call themselves Jews and are not"to worship at their feet.Christ says he is aware of their blasphemy and calls them the synagogue of satan.With all the woes that Christ uttered ,he was addressing the synagogue of satan.

Rev 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Rev 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

So to this very day the Israelites ,Judah,Jews are kept in blindness because of the infliction by the Kenites, until the time of the gentile has run its course and the gentile has been grafted in and then the joining of the two sticks,and so all of Israel will be saved.

Paul it is the Kenites and their ways and their method of operation that has turned the world against our true brothers of Israel,I am not being racist against our brothers simply because I am aware of it,

I see that you continue to accuse me and have finally judged and condemned me and consider me anathema in (your tangential message) I also see that you have finally admitted to being my enemy and are finally going to shake my dust off of your feet.You consider me a heretic,and no I don't consider you one,I am not going to judge you., for your own words and actions will judge you. You definitely have become obsessively arrogant in what you call your special abilities to interpret and handle the word of God which causes you to be as blinded as Judah is. You have allowed your mind to become focused on one track only which has become an obsession and consumption in this forum that borders on desperation as you twist and turn and spout irrelavency trying to confuse the issue with endless analysis and relentlessly lengthy retort, the very same as you know who.

In the discussions on Kenites and the blindness of Judah, Gods word has made an air tight case that proves he brought the Kenite into service in Israel to bring about that blindness of Judah. You know Paul I don't profess to having the intelligence that you do and I don't,but I was frustated with your guff and in the embroilment I had forgotten what to do so I prayed on it and when I sat down it all flowed out so smoothly on the Kenites and the blindness of Judah.It litterly amazed me.I did what I should have done in the first place.

The wind has gone out of your sails,you are just rowing on your own power and you have been exposed. You can profess and confess to anything you want in public but if you deny Gods word it is all for not,and you become nothing. For if you deny the written word you deny the living word.

What you do with this Paul is on your conscience. You will do one of two things,you will simply deny. either out of blindness or out of willful arrogance,or you will see and accept, drop the arrogance and repent.Regardless it will not be easy for you will try to twist and turn and try to analyse your way out for you have much to loose in your mind but in reality much more to gain

I will continue to be civil and sign off

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From: Paul Stringini

Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 1:49 PM

Subject: Re: Final analysis of Kenites and blindness.

Gods word in our discussion on Kenites and the blindness of Judah has proven that the importation of these Kenites into Israel eventually led to the ultimate blindness of Judah,the main inhabitants of Judea and Jerusalem.

It was never established that there were any Kenites dwelling with Judah after the Babylonian Captivity. There are no scriptures which support the idea that Kenites were the cause of Israel's blindness. To arrive at such conclusions one must read into the texts and make interpretive leaps of logic which are not sound.. These speculations have no place alongside the Gospel of Jesus Christ. To invoke the phrase "God's Word has proven," in connection with those statements takes guts, because it is completely untrue.

This is your arrogance, you make a bad interpretation and then try to exalt your interpretation to the same level as God's word. To equate your fanciful interpretations with God's word, and to suggest that not believing in your interpretations is the same as rejecting God's word is arrogant, and that would not be so bad, if it were not so untrue.

It has been proven that these Kenites exercised total control of those masses both secular and religious.The following two verses are inevitably ,irrefutably, utterly undeniably tied together in the sense of cause and effect.

The language you use here make me suspect that you are not honest with yourself, when it comes to study there is nothing more important than that, you seem to lack this. I have refuted your arguments, and cast enough doubt on them that any reasonable person would abandon this fantasy. There is someone whom the kenites have blinded, and it is you. When those words come out of your mouth "inevitably ,irrefutably, utterly undeniably" they lose all their meaning; because I have clearly demonstrated that you are reading way too much into Jer 35.

Jer 35:19 Therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Jonadab the son of Rechab shall not want a man to stand before me(in service) for ever

I will reference all that I have said on this verse (see #40a), which must be irrefutable, because you have never refuted it; you have only supplied a meager defense of a baseless interpretation (I feel the term "meager" was being too generous). Specifically, this verse does not place the Kenites in the priesthood over Israel, but rather places a single man over the kenites for a leader. That is the way the passage reads. You have provided nothing that refutes my interpretation and I have completely refuted yours.

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in

There is no cause and effect relationship here. I can only imagine that you are hallucinating.

After the destruction of the First temple ,it is believed that the first synagogue was established in Babylon during the captivity of Judah. where the talmud also appeared ,and it has greater use and credibility today than the Torah The talmud book of rules ,traditions,law and interpretation of the torah itself,is what the Jews live by today.The Kenites were probably instrumental in the compilation and teaching of the Talmud

Why "probably"? Why? Just because it has to be so? This is not scholarship, this is daydreaming. I know you do not consider yourself a racist but 99% of the people who follow this doctrine hate the Jews.

I could say the same thing about Dr. Murray and every other so-called Christian teacher, that their teachings are what Christians follow these days, and not the Bible. What does that make them? I'll tell you what it makes them, the serpent's seed, that's what.

The true Israelites are among the Jews of today but the Kenites keep them blind

Fables, the "true Israelites" have always been blind, from Moses till this day, read on.

When we say Jew today,we assume it means of the children of Abraham.That is not the only meaning for the word Jew in the word of God.
Here are the two meanings for the word Jew from the strongs concordance
G2453
??????????
Ioudaios
ee-oo-dah'-yos
From G2448 (in the sense of G2455 as a country); udaean, that is, belonging to Jehudah: - Jew (-ess), of Juda.
G2448
???????
Iouda
ee-oo-dah'
Of Hebrew origin [H3063] or perhaps [H3194]; Judah (that is, Jehudah or Juttah), a part of (or place in) Palestine: - Judah.
The term Jew in the bible means either a child of Abraham's lineage (the tribe of Judah) or someone residing in the land of Judea.

Then how come every foreigner residing in Judea is called either a Gentile or by the name of the nation which they are from? How come Pontius Pilate is not called a Jew? He was a resident of Judea. This is a big zero, this definition does not work because plenty of -non-Jews are never called Jews.

Listen carefully. You can't use a definition in this manner. Whatever the technical definition is, a word's meaning is limited by its use and each use is governed by its context. There has to be some contextual reason why you would say that when someone is referred to as a Jew that they are not one in the sense usually implied. You can't just go around picking and choosing when a Jew is a Jew or not according to this fabulous fable or that. You have to have a reason to take the word out of its regular meaning.

There are plenty of places where a Jew is defined, and I can't think of a single one where the term "Jew" is ever used to refer to a foreigner residing in Judea, I can't think of a single example where a Roman or some distinctly non-Jewish person is ever referred to as a Jew. The word Judean can refer to anyone who resides in Judea, yes, but, in practice, they do not use the term Jew to refer to someone who is not an actual Jew or the member of another tribe. Especially if the person was someone who biblically speaking we are supposed to know are not Jews.

Does the term American apply to everyone in north America? No, it refers only to the people of the United States of America, it is our word, we coined it, it does not refer to Canadians or Mexicans, the term "North Americans," may refer to all of the above, but the simple appellative "American" means the USA, people who want to get technical can do so, but that is not how the word is used in practice in America. The same thing with the Jews, yeah, technically, Pontius Pilate was a Jew, but no one ever called him one, because that is not the way the word "Jew" was used.

Lets get back to the scribes(Kenites)

There is no doubt that the scribes called themselves Jews,and the general population regarded them as such,for they held rule over them .They may not have been the actual rulers of the Jews but they were the administrators and controlled the beaurocracy of both the religious and secular sectors. Also outsiders would call the scribes Jews as well for they saw them having rule over Israel.

Oh yeah, that's right I forgot, Jews are stupid, they can't write, they need Kenites for that.

This is the logic you are using and it is very flawed: Some Kenites were scribes (1000 years BC) therefore, all scribes are Kenites (in Jesus' day)

And beside that, once again, what is with all this stuff? Is it not enough for us to follow Christ, but since that seemed to be too small for you, you have taken up following the "Kenites." What a waste of time.

It is fact because Christ himself in the book of Revelation tells the two churches that he finds no fault with,.that he will make them that" call themselves Jews and are not"to worship at their feet.Christ says he is aware of their blasphemy and calls them the synagogue of satan.With all the woes that Christ uttered ,he was addressing the synagogue of satan.

Those things just don't connect like that, Bob, I'm into the simplicity which Christ and his Apostles taught. If you want to go around taking logic defying leaps, that is your business, but this stuff is poison. It does nothing to help anyone. What does this belief get anyone? Do you actually believe that this is what you need to please God?

To believe this doctrine you have to go leaping all over the scriptures, that is not a sound method for finding the truth.

Consider this, you find it easy to believe in the Kenites, but you still cannot believe the simplicity of what the Apostle John wrote:

1jo 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
1jo 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1jo 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1jo 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1jo 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

You still want to believe it does not say what it plainly says. Yet it is so simple, so plain, right there. Here is my observation, people like you run around clinging to all these "itching ears" doctrines, to unsound doctrines, but you cannot receive the simple things which are written directly and are truly indisputable. From my perspective, this is amazing, and I see it all over, people love to hear fantastical fabulous fables, but the plain things which are spoken in the word, are rejected, refused, and forgotten.

Tit 2:1 But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine:

Rev 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Rev 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

Like I said, Dr. Murray is a blasphemer and is the synagogue of Satan, he is no Jew, though he claims to be, and though he hates the very word. The Shepherd's Chapel is a Synagogue of Satan.

So to this very day the Israelites ,Judah,Jews are kept in blindness because of the infliction by the Kenites,

"Because of" No, wrong, that is not why, the Jews have been blind since the time of Moses, long before your precious Kenites arrived.

2co 3:14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same veil untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which veil is done away in Christ.

Israel has always been blind, except for a remnant. ALWAYS, now that is irrefutable. Go back to Moses, when he first arrived to deliver the Jews:

Ex 6:6 Wherefore say unto the children of Israel, I am the LORD, and I will bring you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians, and I will rid you out of their bondage, and I will redeem you with a stretched out arm, and with great judgments:
Ex 6:7 And I will take you to me for a people, and I will be to you a God: and ye shall know that I am the LORD your God, which bringeth you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians.
Ex 6:8 And I will bring you in unto the land, concerning the which I did swear to give it to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob; and I will give it you for an heritage: I am the LORD.

Ex 6:9 And Moses spake so unto the children of Israel: but they hearkened not unto Moses for anguish of spirit, and for cruel bondage.

Blind, Deaf, Captive, that is the way most people live their lives, every single day. Your doctrine does nothing to help the situation, it only distracts from the true needs of the people.

until the time of the gentile has run its course and the gentile has been grafted in and then the joining of the two sticks,and so all of Israel will be saved.

No argument with that aspect of what you are saying. We agree that the blindness of Israel will end when that happens.

Paul it is the Kenites and their ways and their method of operation that has turned the world against our true brothers of Israel,I am not being racist against our brothers simply because I am aware of it,

Wrong, it is doctrines like this that turn people against Jews, my brother ran into a guy recently who was a believer in this, and his words were this, "Its all about blood," but not the blood of Jesus, the blood of what race you are, the worst being the Jews whom he called "reptilian."

The serpent's seed gives everyone a bad name, its called sin, when the white man does according to his father the devil, all white men get a bad name, get it? It is not about blood, but about seed.

1jo 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1jo 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God,

Bob, I do not have to go to a baker's dozen scriptures to try to piece together a doctrine. I got it right there in one sentence, I COMMAND YOUR EYES, IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST, OPEN.

In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil:

whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God

1jo 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1jo 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God,

1jo 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1jo 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God,

Simplicity, it is beautiful. That is irrefutable, that is undeniable. Yet you refute and deny....

I see that you continue to accuse me and have finally judged and condemned me and consider me anathema in (your tangential message) I also see that you have finally admitted to being my enemy and are finally going to shake my dust off of your feet.

I don't do the "dust shaking" thing. Too many jerks say that at inappropriate times. When you tell me to go to hell and stop writing you, that is when I shake the dust, but I will not say "I'm shaking the dust off my feet." So long as you hold this doctrine you are my enemy, and I yours.

You consider me a heretic,and no I don't consider you one,I am not going to judge you., for your own words and actions will judge you.

If you do not consider me a heretic, then I think you have taken leave of your senses. I don't have to judge you to judge that you are a heretic, I need only judge the doctrines you hold, if they are heresy, and they are.

You definitely have become obsessively arrogant in what you call your special abilities to interpret and handle the word of God which causes you to be as blinded as Judah is.

Only if I don't really have any such abilities. But you are the arrogant one, coming up you are going to display it for everyone.

You have allowed your mind to become focused on one track only which has become an obsession and consumption in this forum that borders on desperation as you twist and turn and spout irrelavency trying to confuse the issue with endless analysis and relentlessly lengthy retort,

I'm sure everyone agrees with you. (that was sarcasm) Once again, you accuse me of doing something that I do not do, but that you do do, and are doing right now, what exactly is the relevance of the above statement? You are nothing but a hypocrite.

the very same as you know who.

No, who? Murray? He isn't like that either. You are describing yourself, eat it, own it, that is you. You are a pathetic hypocrite who has no business handling the word of God, you are inept and lack even the most rudimentary skills. That is you. You should sit down and shut up.

In the discussions on Kenites and the blindness of Judah, Gods word has made an air tight case that proves he brought the Kenite into service in Israel to bring about that blindness of Judah.

No. Here is your arrogance on display, YOU say that "God's word has made an airtight case" when really it is all YOU. You like to imbue your bad interpretations with the same authority as God's word. As usual you are guilty of the things you accuse me of. Your interpretations are so bad that equating them with God's word is like equating God with Satan. Just because you take up the bible, that does not make what you say God's word.

You know Paul I don't profess to having the intelligence that you do and I don't,but I was frustated with your guff and in the embroilment I had forgotten what to do so I prayed on it and when I sat down it all flowed out so smoothly on the Kenites and the blindness of Judah.It litterly amazed me.I did what I should have done in the first place.

Lies can flow out as smoothly as the truth. All this tells me is that God is pleased to allow you to remain delusional.

Ps 55:21 The words of his mouth were smoother than butter, but war was in his heart: his words were softer than oil, yet were they drawn swords.

The wind has gone out of your sails,you are just rowing on your own power and you have been exposed.

You have to be kidding. You sure love drama. What are you talking about? I've taken on all comers, and you think you have done well but you have not. This is a joke. I'm honest with myself, you need to get real.

You can profess and confess to anything you want in public but if you deny Gods word it is all for not,and you become nothing. For if you deny the written word you deny the living word.

You are the one who does that. For me to accept your farcical interpretations I would have to deny every gift that God has given me. Wind is all you have, as usual you spend most of your effort insulting me personally instead of actually looking at what has been said.

You are and arrogant person who exalts his own knowledge to the same level as the word of God, I know you are thinking, "Paul does that," no, God exalts my words, not I. Your words are not worthy.

What you do with this Paul is on your conscience. You will do one of two things,you will simply deny. either out of blindness or out of willful arrogance,or you will see and accept, drop the arrogance and repent.Regardless it will not be easy for you will try to twist and turn and try to analyse your way out for you have much to loose in your mind but in reality much more to gain

Let me say this, your interpretations and words are unworthy of acceptation. You are unable to understand the word of God, yet arrogantly exalt your doctrines above his, so your little attempt at knifing me here is a joke, I hate the God of the Kenite doctrine, which is Satan, whom you serve.

I will continue to be civil and sign off

Bob you say that after you just tried to stick me with knives, you are a hypocrite. I don't care for civility, I'll take it or leave it, ok? You left it somewhere a few paragraphs back, you're a hypocrite.

Ps 55:21 The words of his mouth were smoother than butter, but war was in his heart: his words were softer than oil, yet were they drawn swords.

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Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 10:06 PM

Subject: Fw: Final analysis of Kenites and blindness.

Hi Paul

Its been a while and I have been very busy so I must cut this short,so I will insert my thoughts from one of our other threads in answer to your last address. Ya this may seem lazy but we have hashed and rehashed.

First of all lets again establish from Gods word that Rechabites where KENITES

1Ch 2:55 And the families of the scribes which dwelt at Jabez; the Tirathites, the Shimeathites, and Suchathites. These are the Kenites that came of Hemath, the father of the house of Rechab.

Secondly you keep harping on the priesthood and that is my fault I suppose,again I guess I lack some ability to make myself clear so I will try again,

There where many duties to be taken care of in the temple. Before the nethinim and the scribes came into service the Levites performed all the duties in the temple. As the nethenim and the scribes came into service and time passed the only thing that the priests performed were the actual religious services.The teaching,,recording ,interpreting of the religious law ,daily transactions in the temple ,presiding in court and handing down religious judgment ,presiding over and controlling finances ,daily maintenance ,collecting money ,ministering to the masses other than religious services. etc,etc was handed down to others which gave them power and prestige In that sense I meant the priesthood had been polluted.

Next lets see what the word of God says about service to God.

1Sa 16:21 And David came to Saul, and stood before him: and he loved him greatly; and he became his armourbearer. (in service)

1Sa 16:22 And Saul sent to Jesse, saying, Let David, I pray thee, stand before me; for he hath found favour in my sight (in service)

Jer 50:44 Behold, he shall come up like a lion from the swelling of Jordan unto the habitation of the strong: but I will make them suddenly run away from her: and who is a chosen man, that I may appoint over her? for who is like me? and who will appoint me the time? and who is that shepherd that will stand before me? (in service)

Jer 49:19 Behold, he shall come up like a lion from the swelling of Jordan against the habitation of the strong: but I will suddenly make him run away from her: and who is a chosen man, that I may appoint over her? for who is like me? and who will appoint me the time? and who is that shepherd that will stand before me?(in service)

Jer 15:19 Therefore thus saith the LORD, If thou return, then will I bring thee again, and thou shalt stand before me:(in service) and if thou take forth the precious from the vile, thou shalt be as my mouth: let them return unto thee; but return not thou unto them.

NOTE: Jeremiah had questioned God’s righteousness (see Jer_12:1 ); he is told, "If thou return," if thou repent thee of thy doubts, and think only of thy duty, "then will I bring thee again, then will I cause thee again to stand before Me." To stand before a person means to be his chief officer or vicegerent. It implies therefore the restoration of Jeremiah to the prophetic office.

Eze 22:30 And I sought for a man among them, that should make up the hedge, and stand in the gap before me (in service)for the land, that I should not destroy it: but I found none.

Jer 35:19 Therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Jonadab the son of Rechab shall not want a man to stand before me(in service) for ever

stand before In this instance means to be in service or office (serve GOD)

Lets break Jer 35:19 down a little:

(Jonadab the son of Rechab shall not want a man to stand ) means there shall not a man be cut off from Jonadab the son of Rechab to stand.

The meaning is exactly the same as in the following verse:

Jer 33:17 For thus saith the LORD; David shall never want a man to sit upon the throne of the house of Israel

To sit upon in the previous verse refers to an office,here it is the throne of david.

(to stand before)it has already been established that to stand before means to be in service or office

(me)God himself speaking, self explanatory. up front and personal

(for ever) this part of the verse is also self explanatory.

Christ stands in service before God.

Israel was chosen to stand in service before God.

The prophets where chosen to stand in service before God.

Levi was chosen to stand in service before God

The elect where chosen to stand in service before God.

Pharaoh was raised to stand in service before God.

And so the Rechabites (KENITES) with Jonadab being the first would for ever have a man to stand in service before God.And also the Rechabites are counted as being with the 12 tribes (just more proof.that they where in service to God in some capacity inside not outside of Israel So if they were scribes what do you think God would employ them for? Camel herders?ya right.(Not rocket science.))

Sure,there are many instances in the bible where a man or men are ordered to stand before God at a certain time or place or on a single occasion for single service but not in Jer 35:19

The verses that contain continuous action or perpetual action are verses that pertain to offices of service.

And what is the significance of this" one man" thing ? A king has wives and Princes and Princesses who occupy offices in the kings services,and through whom the kings lineage continues..It is the same with Jonadab,his lineage and office would continue exactly the same. Well you could say that these scribes only worked in the secular services throughout Israel,well probably a lot of them did.But GOD said a descendant of Jonadab will stand before ME(THE I AM) forever. Remember these people did as their fathers told them to do, so they had more allegiance to their fathers than to our father God. Yes they would serve the temple of God in their capacity as scribes,and they would prosper and grow and gain influence,prestige,and power. And more than likely the head scribe would be a direct descendant of Jonadab.

What? you think that no evil thing could be brought into the temple,Israel was punished countless times for bringing abominations in to it. Here God does it himself to punish Israel.Its not like God didn't punish Israel before and would not after that.Israel was practically in constant punishment, read the book. Maybe the kenites were not so evil when they where first introduced into Israel but they sure developed a yen for it. But then again evil is evil.

Lets hear about the scribes.

Mat 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

Mat 23:14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.

Mat 23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

Mat 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Mat 23:25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.

Mat 23:27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.

Mat 23:29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,

Luk 11:44 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are as graves which appear not, and the men that walk over them are not aware of them.

Man these guys loved to spout off about rules, procedures , traditions secular and religious laws,sold prayers,evangelized(proselyte),were anal to detail while ignoring the weightier things of the law, worse than any thing around today for they combined the crime syndicate and the church into one .

Now having clarified myself earlier at the beginning as to how others took over most of the duties of the priesthood it looks like these fellows took it upon themselves to perform even much more as the previous verses and following excerpts prove without a doubt.

The following are some excerpts from the Barnes

Ye shut up the kingdom of heaven - They shut it up by teaching false doctrines respecting the Messiah; by binding the people to an observance of their traditions; by opposing Jesus, and attempting to convince the people that he was an impostor, thus preventing many from becoming his followers.

Devour widows’ houses - The word "houses" is used here to denote "property" or possessions of any kind. You take away or get possession of the property of widows by improper arts and pretences. This was done in two ways:

1. They claimed a very exact knowledge of the law and a perfect observance of it. They pretended to extraordinary justice toward the poor, friendship for the distressed, and willingness to aid those who were in embarrassed circumstances. They thus induced "widows" and poor people to commit the management of their property to them as guardians and executors, and then took advantage of them and defrauded them.

2. They put on the appearance of great sanctity, and induced many conscientious but credulous women to give them much, under pretence of devoting it to religious purposes.

Long prayer - Their prayers are said to have been often three hours in length. One rule among them, was to meditate an hour, then pray an hour, and then meditate another hour - all of which was included in their "long prayers or devotions."

Twofold more the child of hell - That is, twice as bad. To be a child of hell was a Hebrew phrase, signifying to be deserving of hell, to be awfully wicked. Compare the notes at Mat_1:1. The Jewish writers themselves say that the proselytes were "scabs of Israel," and "hindered the coming of the Messiah" by their great wickedness. The Pharisees gained them either to swell their own numbers, or to make gain by extorting their money under various pretences; and when they had accomplished that, they took no pains to instruct them or to restrain them. They had renounced their superstition which had before somewhat restrained them, but the Pharisees had given them no religion in its place to restrain them, and they were consequently left to the full indulgence of their vices.

Full of extortion and excess - The outside appeared well; the inside was filled with the fruit of extortion, oppression, and wickedness. The meaning is, that though they took much pains to appear well, yet they obtained a living by extortion and crime. Their cups, neat as they appeared outward, were filled, not with the fruits of honest industry, but with that which had been extorted from the poor by wicked arts. Instead of "excess," many manuscripts and editions of the Greek Testament read "wickedness."

Naw, I guess these guys didn't interfere with the religious life of the Israelites,rather they interfered with their lives period.You ask how could this happen?Well they did as their fathers told them rather then our father God.God knew and planned this and chose them as punishment for Israel.

You know in retrospect I don't have to prove that the Rechabites were the sons of Cain,for it is irrelevant. For the Rechabites (KENITES) were a blight on the face of Israel. A curse,a punishment.

Oh ya ,there is no doubt that legitament Jews where among them,which only goes to show how Good the Kenites were and are at doing what they did and do.

----- Original Message -----

From: Paul Stringini

Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 11:06 PM

Subject: Re: Final analysis of Kenites and blindness.

No Rechabites were numbered with Israel when they returned from Babylon, I skimmed this message, you are not worth my time either.

----- Original Message -----

From: Paul Stringini

Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 11:30 PM

Subject: Re: Final analysis of Kenites and blindness.

I'm not looking for your opinion on this, I'm not interested in discussion with you, we have gone around enough, but since we did not cover this aspect I am forwarding to you another conversation I have been having, simply F.Y.I.

(And I'm still not shaking the dust off my feet), but this is just pointless, you never address the main point and let me give it to you one last time do you can remember:.

Your doctrine of the serpent seed is complicated and requires all kinds of leaps of faith, bad logic, false histories, gullibility and etc. You, Dr. Murray, and the rest really just make most of it up. It is the epitomy of "Unsound doctrine," worse than rapture theory, worse than eternal torture (and there is a far better documented doctrine!)

My doctrine of the serpent seed is simple and elegant encapsulated by a single section of scripture which explains it all without any doubt.

8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

If you answered that in your last email you will have to tell me because I didn't waste my time reading it.

These are in reverse order, of course.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 9:10 PM

Subject: RE: Final analysis of Kenites and blindness.

I was never worth your time in truth. You only persue this venue for your own gratification ,your need to satisfy your obsession makes it worth your time ,. You are not ready to shake the dust off of your feet so I will make it easy for you . Take a hike Paul,and when you are done,post. Of course you can have your say but I doubt it will be worth my time for I know what is forthcoming.